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The Trinity Doctrine

Part 01 – The Trinity Doctrine
Part 02 – Who is the Most High God
Part 03 - Who and what is Jesus?
Part 04 – The true meaning of the word ‘God’
Part 05 - Supporting the Trinity Doctrine
Part 06 – Pre-Nicene writings
Part 07 – Development of the Trinity Doctrine
Part 08 – Why challenge the Trinity Doctrine
Part 09 – Trinity Doctrine conclusion
Part 10 – An Apostasy
Part 11 - 100 indisputable proof verses
Part 12 – What is your confession?
Part 13 – The Roman Catholic faith
Part 14 – Trinity Doctrine resources

The point of this study is to examine one of the most accepted doctrines in Christianity, namely the Trinity Doctrine. This study will test the doctrine with scripture to see if it is really taught in the bible.

Most Christians today believe that God is a Trinity and many agree that the Trinity Doctrine is not only a major doctrine of Christianity, but perhaps even the foundation of Christianity. This study will take an indepth look at verses that appear to contradict this doctrine and scriptures that are used to prove the doctrine. We will also look at some Pre-Nicene writings from the 2nd century to see if they also taught the Trinity before it was made an official doctrine. Then we will take a look at the history of the Trinity Doctrine and list important events that helped develop this doctrine.

This extensive writing will give you and in-depth look at this subject so that you can weigh up for yourself what is true. The aim is to help you in understanding the foundation of true faith in God and for you to be ready to give an answer at anytime as to what you believe.

According to scripture, the purpose of scripture is to guide, teach, and correct us on matters of doctrine and conduct. To be humble and teachable is to be wise and such a person would rejoice when both scripture affirms and corrects us because an affirmation shows that we already possess these truths and corrections gives us the opportunity to possess these truths. Both are good.

I think it is fair to say that that most Christians today who believe in the Trinity Doctrine have never really checked it out to see if what they believe is taught in scripture. Many assume that it must be correct because it is what most churches teach and this is perhaps the doctrine that most churches have in common. In addition to this doctrine’s wide acceptance, many people think it is wrong to question doctrines like this because it shows doubt. In truth however, we are suppose to test all teaching and spirits, so that we do not become deceived.

Acts 17:11
These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

Searching the scriptures to see if what we believe is true is absolutely encouraged in scripture and as Christians we should also be ready to provide a reason for the things that we believe. In order to know what we believe, it requires more than parroting a doctrine. You need to understand it in order to know whether it is true or not.

1 Peter 3:15
But in your hearts set apart Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect,

The reality is that many Christians who accept the doctrine of the Trinity, accepted it with little questioning and even to this day they do not understand it. It is often new believers who wonder how Jesus can be the son of God and also be that God that he is the son of. Often the response to such questioning is usually met with a reply along the lines of, ‘God is a mystery and beyond our thinking’. While this is true, scripture does reveal God to us with the intention that we understand these scriptures. Thus if the bible teaches that God is a Trinity, then by that reason, it is suppose to be understandable.

Of those who believe the Trinity Doctrine there appears to be differing ways to describe how God can be three and yet one. Some believe that God is a being that shows himself in 3 different ways like water can be ice, steam, or liquid. Others believe that the Trinity is made up of 3 distinct personalities and these 3 are in unity of substance and love and purpose. This last explanation is probably the most common and it is the accepted version of the Trinity Doctrine.

Diagram of the Trinity Doctrine

Ancient diagram of the Trinity

Before moving on, I think it would be good to give the official explanation of the Trinity Doctrine. The doctrine basically says that there is one God.
The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God.
Hence God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.
These three persons make up one God. But rather than each being one-third of God, each person is co-equal and co-eternal and 100% God. The following diagram explains the Trinity Doctrine quite well.

This concludes the introduction to this study. Let’s now take an in-depth look at what scripture says about who and what God is. Click on the ‘Next Page’ button below to navigate your way through this teaching. Oh, and be prepared to be challenged.

2 Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is God­breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness…

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    NOTE: This is a continuation of the topic Trinity (Part 1).


    ? Eternal life is to know the ONLY true God AND Jesus Christ whom HE has sent. The only true God is the Father and Yeshua is his son.

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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 12 2008,11:27)
    Hi WJ,
    So WJ the Father is not the true God??
    Interesting.


    So you don't notice the Father as the true everlasting, God?

    Ephesians 1:17

    17 I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the Spirit.

    The Father is God. He pours out his Spirit upon mankind.

    The pouring out of the Spirit

    Acts 2:17

    17 ” 'In the last days, God says,
         I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
      Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
         your young men will see visions,
         your old men will dream dreams.

    Blessings :)

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    Quote (seek and you will find @ Jan. 12 2008,11:45)
    Mandy  I am not a newbie. And I do not and ever will believe again in the trinity. I have explained before how I see Jesus as God. He is the Son of God the firstborn of all creation. I see God as a Family name. In Corinth. 15 when Jesus will give the Kingdom back to the Father we are also Gods. We are the Family of God, and I am proud to be a member of that Family. It is sad that nobody recognized me.
    I thought maybe my bad English would give me away, but that did not either. Any guesses who I am?
    :cool: :cool: :cool:


    Please do not think nobody recognized you. You say that nobody recognized you. I recognized you if that counts for something.
    ???

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    Quote (t8 @ Jan. 13 2008,10:04)

    Quote (seek and you will find @ Jan. 12 2008,11:45)
    Mandy  I am not a newbie. And I do not and ever will believe again in the trinity. I have explained before how I see Jesus as God. He is the Son of God the firstborn of all creation. I see God as a Family name. In Corinth. 15 when Jesus will give the Kingdom back to the Father we are also Gods. We are the Family of God, and I am proud to be a member of that Family. It is sad that nobody recognized me.
    I thought maybe my bad English would give me away, but that did not either. Any guesses who I am?
    :cool: :cool: :cool:


    I give up.

    Who?


    :laugh: :laugh: You give up.

    Peace and Love Mrs.IM4Truth

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    Quote (acertainchap @ Jan. 13 2008,11:04)

    Quote (seek and you will find @ Jan. 12 2008,11:45)
    Mandy  I am not a newbie. And I do not and ever will believe again in the trinity. I have explained before how I see Jesus as God. He is the Son of God the firstborn of all creation. I see God as a Family name. In Corinth. 15 when Jesus will give the Kingdom back to the Father we are also Gods. We are the Family of God, and I am proud to be a member of that Family. It is sad that nobody recognized me.
    I thought maybe my bad English would give me away, but that did not either. Any guesses who I am?
    :cool: :cool: :cool:


    Please do not think nobody recognized you. You say that nobody recognized you. I recognized you if that counts for something.
    ???


    Chap You did, that surprised me, you almost sound angry. Are you angry with me, because I played around?

    Peace and Love MrsIM4Truth
    Grandma?

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    Another verse…

    John 17:3

    3 Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

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    John 5:18

    18 Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.

    *They are equal but two seperate personages.

    :)

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    Quote (acertainchap @ Jan. 14 2008,09:11)
    John 5:18

    18 Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.

    *They are equal but two seperate personages.

    :)


    The pharasees thought he made himself equal with God. Jesus never made such a claim. Jesus repeatedly said the Father was greater then He. The pharasees accusations are not something to base doctrine on.

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    Here are verses…

    Ephesians 1:18-23

    18 I pray also that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, 19 and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is like the working of his mighty strength, 20 which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, 21 far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. 22 And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, 23 which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.

    :)

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    Yes martian I realized that you are right, the Father is greater than He; but Jesus sits at the Father's right hand in the heavenly realms. :)

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    Quote (acertainchap @ Jan. 14 2008,09:54)
    Yes martian I realized that you are right, the Father is greater than He; but Jesus sits at the Father's right hand in the heavenly realms. :)


    Exactly — Jesus has been temporarily givenb all power in heaven and
    Earth an sits in the highest position of power other then Gid.

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    Yeah like Joseph and the Pharaoh.

    Joseph had all authority in that kingdom, but not over the Pharaoh himself.


    ? Eternal life is to know the ONLY true God AND Jesus Christ whom HE has sent. The only true God is the Father and Yeshua is his son.

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    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 12 2008,05:55)
    Son wrote:

    SOL
    You continue to speak your Polytheistic theology without addressing my questions!

    What attributes does the Father have that the Son dosnt?  

    In what way is Jesus different in nature than God?

    So will we dwell in one another?

    Will we fill all things?

    Will we uphold all things by the word of our power?

    Will all things be through us and for us?

    Will we sit in The throne with the Father and the Son being worshipped and praised with the Spirit proceeding from us (not through us) to all of creation?

    Rev 22:1
    And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
    2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, [was there] the tree of life, which bare twelve [manner of] fruits, [and] yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree [were] for the healing of the nations.
    3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and *his servants shall serve him*:

    I await your answer!

    :O


    There are so many viewpoints being expressed that it is difficult to keep up with who believes what.

    Regardless, in answer to the question: What attributes does the Father have that the son doesn't?

    (1) Jesus does not share the attribute of being the God and Father of Jesus with his God and Father.
    http://tinyurl.com/3cvbuc

    (2) Jesus does not share the attribute of being the only Most High with his God and Father. — John 10:29.
    http://tinyurl.com/yjnj7v

    (3) Jesus does not share the attribute of being uncreated, having no beginning, being unbegotten, with his God and Father. — Colossians 1:15.

    (4) Jesus does not share the attribute of being the Creator with his God and Father. — Mark 10:16; 13:19

    (5) Jesus does not share the attribute of being only true God who sent Jesus. — John 17:1,3.

    (6) Jesus does not share the attribute of being “God of gods” with his God and Father.
    http://tinyurl.com/2gbjxj

    (7) Jesus does not share the attribute of being “God Almighty” with his God and Father.
    http://tinyurl.com/2b8qf5

    There could be more; these seven stand out in my mind.

    Additionally, Jesus' God and Father is never spoken of as being the image of God.

    In service of Jesus and his God,
    Ronald

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    Hi Ron,

    Welcome to HeavenNet.

    Thanks for your thoughtful post.

    Love,
    Mandy

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    Quote (ronday888 @ Jan. 14 2008,13:57)

    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 12 2008,05:55)
    Son wrote:

    SOL
    You continue to speak your Polytheistic theology without addressing my questions!

    What attributes does the Father have that the Son dosnt?  

    In what way is Jesus different in nature than God?

    So will we dwell in one another?

    Will we fill all things?

    Will we uphold all things by the word of our power?

    Will all things be through us and for us?

    Will we sit in The throne with the Father and the Son being worshipped and praised with the Spirit proceeding from us (not through us) to all of creation?

    Rev 22:1
    And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
    2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, [was there] the tree of life, which bare twelve [manner of] fruits, [and] yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree [were] for the healing of the nations.
    3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and *his servants shall serve him*:

    I await your answer!

    :O


    There are so many viewpoints being expressed that it is difficult to keep up with who believes what.

    Regardless, in answer to the question: What attributes does the Father have that the son doesn't?

    (1) Jesus does not share the attribute of being the God and Father of Jesus with his God and Father.
    http://tinyurl.com/3cvbuc

    (2) Jesus does not share the attribute of being the only Most High with his God and Father. — John 10:29.
    http://tinyurl.com/yjnj7v

    (3) Jesus does not share the attribute of being uncreated, having no beginning, being unbegotten, with his God and Father. — Colossians 1:15.

    (4) Jesus does not share the attribute of being the Creator with his God and Father. — Mark 10:16; 13:19

    (5) Jesus does not share the attribute of being only true God who sent Jesus. — John 17:1,3.

    (6) Jesus does not share the attribute of being “God of gods” with his God and Father.
    http://tinyurl.com/2gbjxj

    (7) Jesus does not share the attribute of being “God Almighty” with his God and Father.
    http://tinyurl.com/2b8qf5

    There could be more; these seven stand out in my mind.

    Additionally, Jesus' God and Father is never spoken of as being the image of God.

    In service of Jesus and his God,
    Ronald


    Ron

    Try again.

    Those are not attributes of God.

    And none of them deal with the nature of the Father and Yeshua and the Holy Spirit!

    The things you quote are with the premise that Jesus is not deity, and in no way prove he is not.

    None of the things you mention deal with
    Jn 1:14, Jn 20:28, Phil 2:6-8, 1 Tim 3:16, Titus 2:13, Heb 1:8, 1 Jn 5:20

    And they sure dont answer these questions…

    So will we dwell in one another?

    Will we fill all things?

    Will we uphold all things by the word of our power?

    Will all things be through us and for us?

    Will we sit in The throne with the Father and the Son being worshipped and praised with the Spirit proceeding from us (not through us) to all of creation?

    Rev 22:1
    And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
    2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, [was there] the tree of life, which bare twelve [manner of] fruits, [and] yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree [were] for the healing of the nations.
    3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and *his servants shall serve him*:

    Only God has these attributes!

    Thats just to start. I am a little tired tonight but will address you post point by point later.

    Welcome and blessings! :)

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