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Supporting the Trinity Doctrine – The Trinity Doctrine

Part 01 - The Trinity Doctrine
Part 02 - Who is the Most High God?
Part 03 - Who and what is Jesus?
Part 04 - The true meaning of the word ‘God’
Part 05 Supporting the Trinity Doctrine
Part 06 - Pre-Nicene writings
Part 07 - Development of the Trinity Doctrine
Part 08 - Why challenge the Trinity Doctrine
Part 09 - Trinity Doctrine conclusion
Part 10 - An Apostasy
Part 11 - 100 indisputable proof verses
Part 12 - What is your confession?
Part 13 - The Roman Catholic faith
Part 14 - Trinity Doctrine resources

This page is dedicated to the scriptures that people use when supporting the Trinity Doctrine. We look at why they are used to support the Trinity Doctrine and test their hypothesis to see if they stand the test of scrutiny.

Each scripture is listed with a link to page dedicated to each scripture with Biblical evidence to show what is really being taught. The first one is below, with the rest having their own pages.


Does 1 John 5:20 call Jesus the true God?
We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

Read this part slowly:

“And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ.”

The true one mentioned in this verse, has to be the Father. Why?

Because it clearly says, We are in HIM who is true, by being in HIS son.

Who is the son mentioned here? Well the son has to be Jesus Christ.

Who is the one who is true that has a son? Well that has to be the Father because Jesus never had a son did he? If you hold the view that Jesus is the one true God in this verse, then you have to conclude that Jesus has a son called Jesus because the one who is true has a son called Jesus according to the verse.

So by this very simple, clear, and reasonable reading of the text, we can see that the Father is the one who is true and we are in the Father because we are in HIS son. That is the only way you can read this verse.

Do you need further proof? Well look at John 17:3:
Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

As you can see, the only true God is not Jesus Christ here either because the only true God is said to have sent Jesus Christ just like 1 John 5:20 says.

The next verse supports these two preceding verses and teaches that Jesus is not God, rather, that he was sent by God as confirmed in these two verses above.

John 8:42
Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me.

You have just been shown two or three witness verses that clearly state that God sent his son into the world and that this God who has a son is the only true God.


Is Jesus called God in 1 Timothy 3:16 (KJV)?
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity


Because Yahweh calls himself “I am”  in Exodus 3:13-14, did Jesus claim to be Yahweh when he said “I am” in John 18:5-6? 
5 “Jesus of Nazareth,” they replied. “I am he,” Jesus said. (And Judas the traitor was standing there with them.)
6 When Jesus said, “I am he,” they drew back and fell to the ground.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity


Does 1 John 5:7 teach the Trinity, after all it lists the three persons of the Trinity and says they are one?
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity


Isaiah 9:6 calls Jesus the mighty God, does this prove the Trinity? 
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.”‘

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity


Does the baptismal formula in Matthew 28:19 prove the Trinity Doctrine is right?
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →


John 1:1 says the Word was God. Does that mean that Jesus is God because he is the Word?
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity


John 1:18 calls Jesus ‘the begotten God”. Does this prove that Jesus is God and thus provides support for the Trinity Doctrine?

“No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten God, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.”

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity


Is Jesus called the Alpha and Omega in Revelation 1:8?
8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity


Colossians 2:9-10 says that Christ is the fullness of the Deity. Does this prove the Trinity?
9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,
10 and in Christ you have been brought to fullness. He is the head over every power and authority.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity


Philippians 2:6 says he existed in the form of God. Is this scriptural proof that Jesus is God?
who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →


Does Mark 12:36 support the Trinity Doctrine?
David himself, speaking by the Holy Spirit, declared: “`The Lord said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet.”

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →


Did Jesus claim to be God in John 10:33?
33 “We are not stoning you for any of these,” replied the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →


Was Jesus inferring he was God when the Jews said he was making himself equal with God in John 5:18-19?
18 For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
19 Jesus gave them this answer: “I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →


Does the word “us” in Genesis 1:26 mean that God consists of plural persons as the Trinity Doctrine teaches?
Then God said, ‘Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →


In Hebrews 1:6 it states that Jesus is to be worshipped by angels therefore he must be God right?
And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels worship him.”

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →


Does Isaiah 48:11 support of the Trinity Doctrine?
For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →


Does Titus 3:4-6 support the Trinity Doctrine?
4 But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared,
5 he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit,
6 whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior,

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →


Does Deuteronomy 6:4 and Genesis 2:24 prove that God is a Trinity?

Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.
&
Genesis 2:24
For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.

Read why these verses do not teach the Trinity →


Does Isaiah 45:23 & Philippians 2:10-11 read together prove that Jesus is God?

Isaiah 45:23
By myself I have sworn,  my mouth has uttered in all integrity  a word that will not be revoked:
Before me every knee will bow; by me every tongue will swear.
&
Philippians 2:10-11
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Read why these verses do not teach the Trinity →


 

208 Responses to "Supporting the Trinity Doctrine – The Trinity Doctrine"

  1. holy spirit ???

    Mt 3:16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting on him.

    Jn 1:32 Then John gave this testimony: “I saw the Spirit come down from heaven as a dove and remain on him.

    Mk 1:10 As Jesus was coming up out of the water, he saw heaven being torn open and the Spirit descending on him like a dove.

    Jn 1:33 I would not have known him, except that the one who sent me to baptize with water told me, ‘The man on whom you see the Spirit come down and remain is he who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.’
    Jn 1:34 I have seen and I testify that this is the Son of God.”

    WHERE DOES IT SAYS THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT ENTER OR CAME ON THE PERSON OF CHRIST ??? it does not right ???

    1. t8 t8 says:

      It also says the Spirit of God, not God the Holy Spirit. Scripture doesn’t ever say, ‘God the Holy Spirit’. Trinitarians need to introduce terms and words that do not exist in scripture because scripture doesn’t describe the ideas that they have.

    2. DavidL DavidL says:

      “The Spirit of the LORD will rest on Him, The spirit of wisdom and understanding, The spirit of counsel and strength, The spirit of knowledge and the fear of the LORD.” – Isaiah 11:2
      -
      “John testified saying, “I have seen the Spirit descending as a dove out of heaven, and He remained upon Him.” – John 1:32

    3. t8 t8 says:

      So you admit it is the Spirit of the LORD, and not the LORD Spirit.
      :)

    4. DavidL DavidL says:

      God’s Spirit rested on the Son…THREE separate Beings, working together as ONE God…hence the scripture concerning Christ, “For God in all His fullness was pleased to live in Christ.”
      - Colossians 1:19

    5. t8 t8 says:

      Let scripture correct you. Not a triune God, but God, his spirit and his son. HIS son and HIS spirit. Spirit OF God, Son OF God. There is only God the Father, not God the son or God the Holy Spirit as you teach.

      For us, there is one God the Father. For you this is not true.

    6. DavidL DavidL says:

      Even the devil uses Scripture…!

    7. DavidL DavidL says:

      Let Scripture interpret Scripture – “We know that we are of God, and that the whole world lies in the power of the evil one. And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding so that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.” – 1 John 5:19,20

    8. t8 t8 says:

      DavidL, take off your bias glasses and you will see that the one who is true (God) has a son. So if the one who is true if Jesus, then please explain to me more about Jesus son. You see what you want to see. But I have pointed out the truth about this verse.

    1. DavidL DavidL says:

      Can’t find any information on ‘Know your Enemy’ series about Trinity…in Part 73 (8:45) about JW’s – it acknowledges their false doctrine in teaching that Jesus is NOT God…!!!? So Yes I also agree with this…

    2. t8 t8 says:

      He doesn’t condemn the Trinity. This video series is interesting from the point of view of the origin and progression of the Mystery religion. It doesn’t take a genius though to connect the dots, when you realise how drunk the world is from the religion of Babylon. But many do not connect the dots because they put too much trust in man and think that the Mysterious Trinity is beyond question. The Mysterious Trinity is part of this Mystery Religion and it is actually the Catholic Faith of which is the biggest religion in the world, and is also a city on seven hills. She sits on many waters, yet is a city sitting on seven hills. She has influenced the whole world and her religion is the Trinity. She also killed millions of so-called heretics, who denied her faith. She has blood on her hands, and God wants us out.

    3. t8 t8 says:

      You condemn the JWs and I do not agree with many of their doctrines either. But the truth is that Jesus builds his Church upon the truth that Jesus is the son of God, and the messiah. This rules out all Trinitarian Churches and the whole Muslim faith.

      People in glass houses should not throw stones IMO. Remove the plank first before addressing the speck.

    4. DavidL DavidL says:

      So this video you posted on “Supporting the Trinity” page…really IS supporting the Trinity…!??! Amazing…!!!
      It goes through all the ‘Mystery Babylon’ stuff you believe and yet still acknowledges the false teaching of the JW’s when they (like yourself) teach that Jesus is not God…!!!
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      You say that so-called “Trinitarian Churches” are ruled out from being part of the true church because, as to you put it, “Jesus builds his Church upon the truth that Jesus is the son of God, and the messiah.”
      presuming that ‘Trinitarians’ don’t believe this, when of course they certainly do, only they acknowledge Jesus is MORE than just Lord…like Thomas they say of Him, “My Lord AND my God.” – they acknowledge that according to the revelation of New Testament Scripture, the very fullness of God dwells in the person of Jesus Christ…He is the manifestation of God in the flesh..!!
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      The very ROCK upon which Christ builds His Church IS… the REVELATION of HIMSELF…and it is you that has excluded yourself from this revelation of the Spirit, by relying instead on your own understanding.

    5. t8 t8 says:

      That is a childish comment DavidL. Are you old enough to understand why I posted it? He also makes no case that the Catholic Trinity is true in the videos. Trying to score a point with silly comment like that doesn’t impress any mature person IMO. I told you why I posted this video and should just leave it at that. I think the video is interesting and makes many links, but there are other links he could also make and this is what I am discussing with this video.

      Usually when people cite someone or post a video regarding a certain point, it is not meant to be understood that you support 100% of everything they say, rather that there are some interesting points to consider. I thought you would be mature enough to glean the point.

      I would appreciate it if you lifted the debate to a better level. We are all adults here and many of us love the truth, so try to avoid silly punches below the belt like that, and the discussion will be better.

    6. DavidL DavidL says:

      childish..??? Common, you post a video that obviously we would assume contains some sort of information regarding the Trinity, but after skipping through most of its 70+ parts I find it actually SUPPORTS the trinity AND (something you need to take note of) highlights the fact that Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses, the two major CULT groups of Christianity (who also deny the Trinity) where deeply influenced by Freemasonry – THE SAME AS ISAAC NEWTON…!!!

    7. DavidL DavidL says:

      …maybe it is your own anti-trinity concepts that are being revealed here as ‘childish’ – lacking spiritual maturity..!

    8. t8 t8 says:

      Yes childish. We are debating the meat of the Word and you give me sour milk to drink. Please keep it scriptural and not play silly games. Making playground comments like that is embarrassing. We are allowed to post citations and sources that support a point. No one in their right mind believes that you support everything they are doing or believe. I stand by the comment, you are out of your depth in this subject. Hence why you think your comment is some kind of proof of the Trinity. It would be like me quoting John Calvin and then you saying that I support his persecution and murders. However if this is all you can throw at me, then you have lost this debate. I quote scripture.

      “For us there is one God the Father.” I don’t need to resort to anything else.

    9. DavidL says:

      Yes, I can well understand your embarrassment.. from your perspective you’ve made a bit of a blunder posting this video – because ‘Knowing your Enemy’ is really highlighting the fallacy of your anti-trinity doctrine..(and the deceitful ways in which you try to make your teaching seem plausible).

    10. t8 t8 says:

      DavidL, you are wrong about that. There is no embarrassment nor ignorance. I knew about his personal belief months ago because myself and MikeB contacted this guy about this a few months back and had some dialog with him. So you are clearly wrong about this assumption, so either you were listening to a different spirit or your reasoning is in error here. You should really question what else you may be wrong about too.

      Unlike yourself as it appears, I am not biased toward or away of any group. I can quote from anyone if they make a valid point, and certainly this video has many great points about the Mystery Religion. For me truth is truth, no matter who utters it and I am not scared to quote from those who may differ with me regarding other beliefs.

      It also stands to reason that all the Christian cults out there have truth and deceptions. If it was all 100% deceptions, then how would they have any adherents and if it was all 100% correct, then the mystery of God would be complete and we would be further along in God’s plan than we are now.

      The biggest cult of all is the RCC. You adhere to the mother of all cults in principal as you agree 100% with their core doctrine. The Pope is making efforts to bring all you guys back onboard 100%. At the moment you are all one in the Trinity, but not with other doctrines. Watch for the Pope and others to follow, to relax certain points of their faith to include you guys. Of course they will never relax on the Trinity as it is what the Catholic Church is. Whether you yourself return to the home of your doctrine is up to you, but if you do not, they at least have you onside in their most important doctrine. They have your soul on that one, which is their foundation and yours too. In this regard, the Pope is more your shepherd regarding your core belief than Jesus is.

      “Inside her were the souls of men.”

      Jesus said, “this is eternal life, that you may know the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom he has sent”. You have rejected Jesus regarding this eternal truth and have accepted the Pope instead. This is really important because this is about eternal life. It is the foundation.

    11. DavidL says:

      …as for your other video, well – Who is Sure Word of prophecy Ministries…???
      -
      All I can say is this teaching is a re-hashed JW teaching..(I think the illustrations give it away), I also checked their other videos and they all line up with Jehovah Witnesses doctrine… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah's_Witnesses
      Quote: “reject Trinitarianism, inherent immortality of the soul, and hellfire, which they consider to be unscriptural doctrines…”
      -
      This should set alarm bells ringing, it just shows how deceptively false doctrine creeps in under the guise of ‘true-Biblical-teaching’…
      -
      “Take heed that NO MAN deceive you..” – JESUS

  2. DAVID

    the holy spirit is not a dove , it came as a form so it could be seen by John it was a sign only for him so he would know that Jesus was the one after him ,the Messiah ,just as it came like tongues of flames at the Pentecost ,but again the holy spirit is not TONGUES OF FLAMES ,LOOK WHAT THE HOLY SPIRIT DID TO PHILIP ON THE ROAD WITH THE ETHIOPIAN ON HIS WAY HOME,

    AND AT OTHER PLACES IN SCRIPTURES IT DOES MORE THINGS ,IT IS ALSO CALLED THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH ,THAT COMES FROM GOD ,BUT IT IS ABSOLUTELY NOT A PERSON OR BEING ,YOUR TRINI IS SO NOT IN THE SCRIPTURES THAT YOU SEEM TO SCRATCH FOR ANY ILLUSION THAT THERE COULD BE ,

    1. t8 t8 says:

      My personal view on this is that the Spirit came down upon Christ in bodily form, i.e., in the form of a man, but that it descended gracefully in the same manner as a dove.

  3. peace says:

    By Trinity we mean that there is only one God (Deuteronomy 6:4) consisting of one essence-substance, who is a Trinity of three individual Persons with independent intellect, emotions and will: the Father & the Son & the Holy Spirit. We do not mean that there are three individual god’s who make up one Godhead as is taught in Mormonism. There is only one God who is made up of three persons. Take any one of these persons away and you no longer have the one and only True God. I saw this and wanted to share. Matthew 28:18-20 “And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, ‘All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. GO THEREFORE and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you, and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.’”

    1. t8 t8 says:

      Jesus said, “this is eternal life, that you may know the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom he has sent.

      Obviously Jesus Christ taught differently to you. And as for the baptismal formula, please read this page:

      http://heavennet.net/writings/supporting-the-trinity-doctrine/matthew-28_19/

    2. HOW COULD a being enter into another one like the holy spirit and how can you see that within the action of the holy spirit ,THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT IS A BEING SEPARATED FROM GOD AND FROM THE SON ???

    3. DavidL DavidL says:

      At the baptism of Jesus we have a clear picture of the the Tri-unity – the Holy Spirit, separate and descending from the Father to the Son…

    4. t8 t8 says:

      What you have here DavidL is God, the son, and the Spirit of God.

    5. DavidL DavidL says:

      Yes, God…
      The Son of God…
      And the Spirit of God…
      -
      Yet according to Scripture there is only ONE God, which is why John speaks of the Son as being both God, and yet with God..! (TWO that are ONE)..
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      Scripture shows very clearly that Salvation (eternal life) belongs to BOTH the Father and the Son together…and yet there is only ONE God…(again TWO are ONE)..
      -
      John points us to the beginning and shows us how the ONE word GOD incorporates BOTH Father AND Son…
      -
      Genesis 1:
      Verse 1 – In the beginning GOD (Father, Son )
      Verse 2 – the Spirit of God…
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      First two verses of the Bible show the Trinity…
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      If you change John 1:1 then what you have is two separate god’s…or, as you put it, God and another…

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