the resurrection for whom and where

[terraricca]

All

many believe to be resurrected in spirit but is this true and under what condition ?and who will go there ?

is there a resurrection to live on the earth ?

and who will live there ?

we see many changes in the world and we may think that we are close to the return of Christ to judge the nations of the earth prior to the millennium,

and are we ready like the five wise maiden or are we more like the five foolish ones ?

and what is the return of Christ will bring ?

Pierre

[terraricca]

All

this is a reminder from Paul;

1Co 15:12 But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?
1Co 15:13 If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised.
1Co 15:14 And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith.
1Co 15:15 More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised.
1Co 15:16 For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either.
1Co 15:17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins.
1Co 15:18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost.
1Co 15:19 If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are to be pitied more than all men

this is the very promise and our hope and faith,

Pierre

[terraricca]

All

1Co 15:20 But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.
1Co 15:21 For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man.
1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. (will be)
1Co 15:23 But each in his own turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.
1Co 15:24 Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power.

I see two resurrection part ;1) CHRIST …THE FIRSTFRUIT…2) THOSE WHO BELONG TO HIM.(WHEN HE COMES)

Pierre

[terraricca]

All

there is a first resurrection;Rev 20:5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.

so the second resurrection is a resurrection of judgement ?

Pierre

[terraricca]

ALL

if we stay alive and so not die ,is there a resurrection for us ?? NO
we have to die to be resurrected.

Pierre

[chosenone]

1Thessalonians 1:15-18

15 For this we are saying to you by the word of the Lord, that we, the living, who are surviving to the presence of the Lord, should by no means outstrip those who are put to repose,
16 for the Lord Himself will be descending from heaven with a shout of command, with the voice of the Chief Messenger, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ shall be rising first.
17 Thereupon we, the living who are surviving, shall at the same time be snatched away together with them in clouds, to meet the Lord in the air. And thus shall we always be together with the Lord.
18 So that, console one another with these words.

[chosenone]

Correction… 1Thessalonians 4:15-18 (corrections to the previous post)

[terraricca]

Rev 7:3 “Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.”
Rev 7:4 Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.

Rev 14:3 And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth.
Rev 14:4 These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among men and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb.
Rev 14:5 No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless.

Pierre

[terraricca]

Phil 3:10 I want to know Christ and the power of his resurrection and the fellowship of sharing in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death,
Phil 3:11 and so, somehow, to attain to the resurrection from the dead.

Phil 3:14 I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus.
Phil 3:15 All of us who are mature should take such a view of things. And if on some point you think differently, that too God will make clear to you.

verse 15 says that if we do not have a heavenly call that it would be made clear in our mind and hearths.

[terraricca]

All

so far we have learn in scriptures that Christ is the true resurrection ,and we have the testimony of his disciples ,and there faith in that resurrection,

where is our personal faith in Christ resurrection ? because all is laid down to that right ,”the promise of Live everlasting”for loving righteousness over evil.

righteousness being of God and evil being of the opposition.

but the good question is ;how much water did we put in the glass of righteousness ? is righteousness something to play with ?

when something is true so it is not a lie,right there is no thin line like some will make us to believe the grey only exist in our mind and hearts so the decision of obey God or not lays there,

it is the FULL desire to know God and his WILL that make all the difference, the truth will become then so clear that the road can be seen so that a child can follow it,and by following that road we clean ourselves from all evil because there is no evil on that road ,there is light on that road all the way to the end,

this is the true road to freedom in Christ.

Pierre

[terraricca]

All

deluding the truth ,deceit ,lying,cheating,ect are the whose fighting that TRUE Christians have to deal with,

and it is a daily fight,that they can and will overcome by looking and staying in the truth of Gods word.

Pierre

[terraricca]

All

the resurrection was believed in Israel ;Ecc 12:14 For God will bring every deed into judgment,
including every hidden thing,
whether it is good or evil.

this the resurrection of judgement from Rev;

Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.
Rev 20:13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done.

Pierre

[terraricca]

All

Mt 22:23 That same day the Sadducees, who say there is no resurrection, came to him with a question.
Mt 22:28 Now then, at the resurrection, whose wife will she be of the seven, since all of them were married to her?”
Mt 22:30 At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.

many Jewish sects had there own believe and yet claim knowing the scriptures just like today s religion,Christ came with the truth and so could not associate himself with those liars and deceivers,

his disciples also remain distant from all what looks like sect ,the truth as and can stand alone ,even if all men would lie God will stand for the truth.

Pierre

[terraricca]

All

Heb 11:35 Women received back their dead, raised to life again. Others were tortured and refused to be released, so that they might gain a better resurrection

would this mean that accepting your own dead in persecution could have some gain?

Pierre

[terraricca]

All

we have to overcome dead so that dead as no power over us this is our faith that will be the tool to accomplish this,if we believe that there is a resurrection without doubt then we will not be shaken by dead because we know the resurrection but this does not mean trowing away our live for any reason ,we would act foolishly ,we have to treat our live with respect as a gift of God,but if the truth of God would be the dilemma then our choice would be simple ,the glory of God would be a greater value to our live,

Pierre

[Tim Kraft]

All: If anyone be born again or recreated to a new spirit way of thinking they would understand the resurrection in the New light!

Jesus said, I am the resurrection! One born of Spirit would recognize this is a mental exercise. The mind that was in darkness and sin is being resurrected to new light/life. One that knows we are eternal spirit beings would know that we could not die/as in cessation of life.

All who come to Jesus/the words of God are resurrected to new life in God. Another spiritual application would be, I died, now it is no longer me who lives but Christ/the words of Jesus from God/the spirit of God in me, the hope and glory.

We must all be born again, recreated mentally from the carnal,fleshly,temporal old testament attempts to find God, to the new spirit way established by Jesus. We are changed as we partake of spirit by consuming the words of God and letting the spirit recreate the mind. Then the old becomes new. Old things are passed away. One takes off the old and puts on the new garmet of life. Anyone who says that Jesus is not here, now, both in spirit and in physical bodies is a liar and the truth is not in them. Everyone who has ears to hear, will hear and accept. IMO, TK

[Ed J]

Hi Tim,

Jesus isn't the words of God, he tells us the words of God.
Jesus lives the words of God as we must also do!
The word becoming flesh over and over again.

Acts 19:20 So mightily grew the word of God and prevailed.
Acts 12:24 But the word of God grew and multiplied.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

TK

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We must all be born again, recreated mentally from the carnal,fleshly,temporal old testament attempts to find God, to the new spirit way established by Jesus. We are changed as we partake of spirit by consuming the words of God and letting the spirit recreate the mind. Then the old becomes new. Old things are passed away. One takes off the old and puts on the new garmet of life. Anyone who says that Jesus is not here, now, both in spirit and in physical bodies is a liar and the truth is not in them. Everyone who has ears to hear, will hear and accept. IMO, TK

the old testament is the same than the new all what is in the new is in the old,it was just not understood until Christ came and show it to his disciples and them to us all.

being born again is to focus on Gods grace(Christ) and follow it and so be transformed as to the will of God and be one with his will ,and so hang our will for destruction because it can not see God and his truth unless we do that.

Christ has come in the flesh as per Gods word(scriptures) foretold it ,and he as been resurrected has he told his disciples and they have told us all ,now do we believe that ? there is our faith,

Pierre

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ June 25 2011,10:28)

Hi Tim, Jesus isn't the words of God, he tells us the words of God. Jesus lives the words of God as we must also do! The word becoming flesh over and over again. Acts 19:20 So mightily grew the word of God and prevailed. Acts 12:24 But the word of God grew and multiplied. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

wrong in you conclusion of scriptures;

Ac 19:20 In this way the word of the Lord spread widely and grew in power.

Ac 12:24 But the word of God continued to increase and spread.

it talks about the scriptures and the Gospel of Christ .

THE WORD OF GOD;is the name of Christ in heaven do not confuse people.he is the one that became flesh.

Pierre

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ June 25 2011,05:11)

Quote (Ed J @ June 25 2011,10:28) Hi Tim, Jesus isn't the words of God, he tells us the words of God. Jesus lives the words of God as we must also do! The word becoming flesh over and over again. Acts 19:20 So mightily grew the word of God and prevailed. Acts 12:24 But the word of God grew and multiplied. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org edj wrong in you conclusion of scriptures; Ac 19:20 In this way the word of the Lord spread widely and grew in power. Ac 12:24 But the word of God continued to increase and spread. it talks about the scriptures and the Gospel of Christ . THE WORD OF GOD;is the name of Christ in heaven do not confuse people.he is the one that became flesh. Pierre

Hi Pierre,

I know you never investigate the Hebrew nor the Greek texts;
so let me ask you what 'English modification' are you posting?

eD j (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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