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Part 01 – The Trinity Doctrine
Part 02 – Who is the Most High God?
Part 03 – Who and what is Jesus?
Part 04 – The true meaning of the word ‘God’
Part 05 – Supporting the Trinity Doctrine
Part 06 – Pre-Nicene writings
Part 07 – Development of the Trinity Doctrine
Part 08 – Why challenge the Trinity Doctrine
Part 09 – Trinity Doctrine conclusion
Part 10 – An Apostasy
Part 11 – 100 indisputable proof verses
Part 12 – What is your confession?
Part 13 – The Roman Catholic faith
Part 14 – Trinity Doctrine resourcesA short history lesson
Babylon was the first world empire. We read about this city in scripture regarding Nebuchadnezzar and Daniel. But that was the second rise of Babylon, it was first built and ruled by Nimrod after the great flood. Nimrod was the great-grandson of Noah. He married a woman from Assyria called Semiramis and local legend says that she was a harlot/prostitute.
When Nimrod died, Semiramis was concerned that she might lose power in Babylon. She fell pregnant and told everyone that her child was none other than Nimrod reborn and that Nimrod became a god. The son was called (Tammuz) and became known as the son of God. Nimrod in essence became both the Father and the Son while Semiramis was known as the ‘Mother of God’ and the ‘Queen of Heaven’. However, she was also symbolized as a dove. At Hierapolis Bambyce (Mabbog) for example, there is a great temple which is said to be founded by Semiramis, and her statue portrays a golden dove on her head.
Already we can see ideas that have been carried through to this very day with the Trinity Doctrine, The Father, Son, and Spirit, the latter often symbolized as a dove. To make the parallels even more clearer, the son was said to be born on December 25 which we know is the traditional day for Jesus Christ’s birth. Notice I use the word ‘traditional’ because this idea is not scriptural at all. Often opponents of the faith make the argument that Jesus is just a pagan savior among many for this very reason.
To inaugurate herself and her son, Semiramis offered a drink in a golden cup for those who wished to pay tribute to her supposed divine son. Some of these devotees were inducted into a priesthood.
So, Nimrod became the incarnate son and Semiramis who was symbolized as a dove was called the mother of God. She was both the first Madonna and the spirit behind this trinity. This marks the birth of the Trinity concept and the Mother of God. We still see these traditions to this very day.
By now all this should be sounding similar to the Mystery Babylon that we read of in the Book of Revelation. There we read, of a Babylon that exists in the last days who is a harlot robed in purple. She even drinks from a golden cup full of abominations, and has made the whole world drunk on her wine. We are then given an explanation as to the woman. She is a city, she rides on the back of the Beast, which at the time was Rome, and she is guilty of spilling the blood of the martyrs.
It should also be clear as to who this last day Babylon might be. If not, then think about this. Rome (city of seven hills), a harlot, a golden cup, robes of purple. Then couple that with who/what promotes the Trinity Doctrine? If you are not following me here, then search out whose creed and faith is actually the Trinity Doctrine by looking up information about the Athanasian Creed. (We will be looking at Athanasius the man in the second part of this page.).
So how did this Babylonian religion spread around the world? Scripture tells us that after the Tower of Babel, God divided men’s language leading to them spreading out over the world. As we see with the Israelites and the Egyptian gods, the Babylonian gods were not forgotten, rather they found new homes in new cultures around the world. Because of differences in language, the names of the Babylonian Trinity were different. And due to time, this Babylonian Trinity not only had different names in different cultures, but they also put their own spin on the Trinity.
The Babylonian Trinity comprised of Nimrod, Semiramis, Tammuz. Egypt called their Trinity by the names of Osiris, Horus, and Isis the virgin. Greece had Zeus, Athena, and Apollo. The Roman Empire had Jupiter, Mercury, and Venus and even to this day, the word Venus is associated with beauty, sex. and fertility, a fitting description of Semiramis, India too has a Trinity consisting of Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva. There are more trinities around the world, but too many to mention in this concise writing.
Now we arrive to a point in time when the Roman Empire ruled. At first Rome didn’t seem to embrace a Trinity, but it is said that the Mystery religion crept in over time. The Roman Empire eventually became the Holy Roman Empire around the time of emperor Constantine. After battling with others for control of a divided empire, he won and to fully unite and solidify the divided empire under himself, he still had one major problem. His empire was still split between two peoples. Pagans and Christians. The Christians were particularly troublesome because they would never submit to the emperor as Lord because to them Jesus was Lord and they paid with their lives to prove it. Constantine’s solution was to embrace these Christians and to give them positions of power so that he could merge Paganism with Christianity. This was a huge change from previous times where Christians were regularly persecuted and martyred. But it wasn’t really that out of character for Rome because they had a history of absorbing ideas, knowledge, religions, and gods from every nation and religion they conquered.
Merging Christianity with Rome was Constantine’s master stroke as it gave him authority over Church matters which in turn strengthened his rule over the empire. He then set about solidifying the faith with rules and regulations in typical Rome fashion. In order to keep the peace, he successfully merged pagan ideas and festivals with Christian ones. So just as Tammuz the son of Semiramis was traditionally born on December the 25th, this became the birthday of Jesus. This helped keep both Pagans and Christians happy. (Although not all went along with these ideas as you would expect.) Constantine even made Sunday the holy day (holiday) for Christians when it was really the traditional day for worship of the sun by the Pagans.This was a clear departure from the Sabbath Day and probably a deliberate move to keep the Pagans happy.
It is even said that Easter the traditional day of Jesus resurrection was really a pagan celebration of Ishtar the Assyrian and Babylonian goddess of fertility and sex, who goes by the name of none other than Semiramis the wife of Nimrod. Ishtar was eventually pronounced ‘Easter’. If this is true, then the Christian holy day of Easter is but another name for Semiramis of Babylon.
While some believe that Constantine had a real conversion to Christ, many others doubt his sincerity and instead see all this as part of his political rallying. It is said that Constantine was baptized while on his death bed in case there was a resurrection. Surely this would describe a man who embraced Christians and Christianity more for political purposes than spiritual reasons, but we cannot know for sure. Either way it is probably fair to say that he had little understanding about the doctrine of Christ and matters of faith. Yet he had the final decision on many Church matters.
Athanasius
Earlier in this page I said that we would talk about a man called Athanasius. This man was revolutionary in the development of the Trinity Doctrine. He lived in the time of Emperor Constantine’s rule. The disciples of Christ had been scattered by persecution where they spread the gospel of the kingdom far and wide. In Egypt, Christian missionaries found ready acceptance of the gospel and as what usually happens, the growing numbers of believers began to gravitate toward certain charismatic leaders. The two most famous of these men were Arius and Athanasius. Both men were from the learned city of Alexandria. While both these men were Christians, they had some opposing views on who and what Jesus was.
Arius (c.250-336) held that Christ is the Son of God, and that because He is the Son He therefore had a beginning. He said:
“It is a necessary condition of the filial relation,” He wrote, “that the Father must be older than his Son. The Father and the Son are of “like substance” (or nature) and therefore Christ is divine and worthy of worship.Athanasius, the Bishop of Alexandria, headed the opposing view which held that the Father and the Son are of “one substance,” coequal, and co-eternal”. He and his followers asserted that the doctrine of Arius lowered the Son making Him less worthy of worship than the Father.
NOTE: This writing isn’t supporting Arius view due to the lack of knowledge about everything Arius taught. Rather it is just sounding out the development of the Trinity Doctrine..
Moving on, history records that there were heated debates between these two factions. The citizens of Alexandria amused themselves with theatrical satires and plays depicting the protagonists, and not many years went by before it could be said that nearly every Christian man and woman had an opinion concerning the nature of Christ. The Jews and Pagans exasperated things by their mocking derision.
Emperor Constantine was at first very amused by all the squabbling as it kept the people occupied. But as the controversy dragged on, he finally called a council of nearly 300 bishops to settle the matter, although only a fraction turned up due to their lack of trust in him.
The rise of the creeds
The first ecumenical council of the Christian church took place in Nicaea, now in modern Turkey (c.325), 294 years after the death of Christ. The presence of the emperor added to the vehemence of the arguments. He would listen to all sides and then rule. His verdict would decide truth.
As to the main point, the Son was declared to be of the “same substance” with the Father. Arius was branded a heretic and banished to one of the remote provinces of Illyricum. The conclusion was ambiguous and settled nothing. The ruling of the Emperor was clear. He quickly issued letters denouncing Arius, and ordered that anyone found with a copy of his writings must burn it or be put to death.
Concerning the nature of Christ, the first Nicene Creed reads: “The Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church anathematizes those who say that there was a time when the Son of God was not; and that before he was begotten he was not, and that he was made out of nothing, or out of another substance or essence, and is created, or changeable, or alterable.”
At the Council of Nicaea, the debate was over the nature of Christ (begotten vs unbegotten). The nature of the Spirit was not an issue. It would be another fifty-six years before the institutional church would decree worship of the Holy Spirit.
History records Emperor Constantine as a criminal. He had murdered his son Crispus, his nephew Licenius, and suffocated in a steam-bath his wife of twenty years Fausta, mother of three of his sons. The public abhorrence of his deeds could not be concealed. A plaque comparing his reign to that of Nero was afixed to the palace gate. Constantine threatened to massacre the Roman populace who had insulted him.
Remember, this is the same Constantine who many say feigned a “conversion” to Christ, but not wanting to antagonize the pagan element, waited until he lay on his death bed to be “baptized” (just in case there is indeed a judgment). He also decreed that Christians and pagans should “rest” on the same day – Sunday.
The story doesn’t end here however. Constantine’s son who took over the reign as Emperor, and he followed the teaching of Arius. Constantine’s favorite sister was also a supporter of the disreputed teacher. She prevailed upon her brother and barely three years after the date of the council, Arius was restored to favor. He was treated by the whole court with the respect which would have been due to an innocent and oppressed man. His faith was approved by the synod of Jerusalem; and the emperor seemed impatient to repair his injustice. He issued a royal command that Arius should receive the holy communion in the cathedral of Constantinople. But on the same day which had been fixed for His triumph, Arius died very suddenly and under strange circumstances. The opponents of Arius said that God had answered their prayers and saved the church from the worst of her enemies. The three principle leaders of the Catholics, Athanasius of Alexandria, Eustathius of Antioch, and Paul of Constantinople were deposed, accused by numerous councils; and were afterwards banished to distant provinces. The believers were left to choose what they would believe with regard to the death of Arius – be it miracle or poisoning.
The council which took place in Nicaea (c.325) was only the first of nine “world” councils in early church history. Creed followed creed. The seventh ecumenical council, the second to take place in Nicaea (c.787) was convened by the Byzantine empress Irene to rule on the use of saints’ images and icons in religious devotions. The council declared that the veneration of images was “legitimate” and the intercession of saints “efficacious,” yet their veneration must be distinguished from the worship due to the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
The Nicene Creed and the Holy Spirit
Regarding the Holy Spirit, the original Nicene Creed stated simply: “We believe in the Holy Spirit.”
This was later modified by the Council of Constantinople (c.381) to read: “We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and Giver of life, who proceeds from the Father, who with the Father and the Son is worshiped and glorified, who spoke through the prophets.”
The Apostles’ Creed
The Apostles’ creed is not the work of the Apostles themselves. It had its origin in the form of a confession of faith recited by the candidate before baptism. It is based on a formula current in Rome (c.200) although its present form did not appear before the 6th century. It is used by Roman Catholics and many Protestant churches but has never been accepted by the Orthodox
churches.“I believe in God, the Father almighty, creator of heaven and earth. I believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord. He was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary. He suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried. He descended to the dead. On the third day he rose again. He ascended into heaven, and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again to judge the living and the dead. I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy catholic Church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and the life everlasting. Amen.” The Apostles’ Creed
The Athanasian Creed
The first clear reference to this writing was made during the 6th century, therefore Athanasius himself is unlikely the author. It is Latin in origin, and in the Middle Ages it was regularly used in church services. Since the Reformation its use in worship service has been confined to the Roman Catholic church and the Anglican Communion, although it is now infrequently recited.
“We worship one God in Trinity and Trinity in Unity, neither confounding the Persons nor dividing the substance. We distinguish among the persons, but we do not divide the substance. For the Father is a distinct person; the Son is a distinct person; and the Holy Spirit is a distinct person. … The Father is eternal, the Son is eternal, the Holy Spirit is eternal. Nevertheless, there are not three eternal beings, but one eternal being. Thus there are not three uncreated beings, not three boundless beings, but one uncreated being and one boundless being. … Thus the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. But there are not three gods, but one God.” From the Athanasian Creed References:
Summary
Throughout the ancient world as far back as Babylon, it was common for pagans to worship triad gods. This was prevalent in Egypt (Horus, Osiris & Isis), India (Siva, Brahma & Vishnu), and Babylon (Nimrod, Semiramis, Tammuz. also known as Ishtar, Sin & Shamash). So while we may have traditionally thought that Paganism was conquered by Christianity, it is probably more accurate to say that Christianity assimilated it. Even the fact that Christians worship on Sunday, was the adoption of a Pagan festival, because the Jews worship on the Sabbath and the traditional birth date of Jesus as being December 25 is the traditional day of birth of the Babylonian Trinity son, Tammuz.
So how did the doctrine become so entrenched over the millennia? Surely over the centuries men would read their bibles and declare the Trinity Doctrine to be false. What we need to realise is the Trinitarian Church and her workers withheld the scriptures from the people for over a thousand years. This gave plenty of time for the doctrine to take root and be firmly established. This is why even to this day you get serious opposition if you oppose this doctrine. Not only were those who opposed it killed, but most did not own a bible to check if this was so. Even to this day a great fear comes upon many who dare to question this doctrine.
Finally, we know that the Jews reject the notion of a triune God. However, we also know that the Jews have a temporary blindness on them regarding who their messiah is. But never do we read of the Jews being rebuked for believing in only one God or being blinded to the Trinity. Instead what we read is that they failed to recognise their messiah. Surely if God was a Trinity, then the ancient Jews and Jews today would have taught it. Yet to this day, devout Jews reject the Trinity Doctrine which is another sign that the doctrine is of pagan origin.
Thank you so very much
A Very Educative Article.Also,The Harper Collins Encyclopedia of Catholicism says trinity is not found in either the Old Testament or the New Testament. The New Catholic Encyclopedia has similar principles. It a pity Christians follow teachings of Paul who has not written anywhere visited by Jesus, any miracle performed by Jesus, anybody healed or raised from death by Jesus or anything taught by Jesus. It seems Paul did not know anything about Jesus. When Jesus Says “to inherit eternal life, love God, love your neighbor and help the poor”, Paul says to “believe Jesus is lord and that he died and rose..” to inherit eternal life.
What happened at the council of Nicaea? Was the Trinity made up there? Was the divinity of Jesus declared there for the first time? This video answers these question?
Hi davidl,
History is valuable but scripture is the source of truth “Thy word is truth”
No trinity in scripture
Hi davidl,
Why be enamored of the fools who followed the apostles?
They are known for their conjectures but not their miracles.
Hi davidl,
The trinity doctrine was DEVELOPED.
It was never taught by God through Jesus or the prophets or apostles.
The great apostacy came very early
devout Jews reject the Trinity Doctrine which is another sign that the doctrine is of pagan origin.
Wasn’t it these same ‘devout Jews’ who crucified the Prince of Life..!?!?!
Many skeptics say there is no mention of a multi-peronsal God in the Old Testament. However, this video contends that idea and offers evidence that there is.
t8,
Semiramis was an Assyrian queen and her husband’s name was not Nimrod. That story did not test out as true. Hinduism is an interesting take on the three Gods that are one God but the evidence shows that the Trinity theory evolved separately and was largely influenced by Rome. Egypt view of the Pharaohs seems to be the same view as the precursor of the Trinity’s view of Jesus Christ and Egypt was part of the Roman Empire so perhaps there was influence from there.
Hi Davidl,
There is no trinity,
If you were reborn from above and you knew the Father and the Son you would understand that this concept is an evil addition .
DavidL,
The video gets things wrong on the page that is shown.
The words “I am” means I exist and not that I was not created.
The words “I am who I am” means several different things though I use it in relation to behavior but in context the most reasonable meaning is that God did not want to give Moses his name at that time. He did later.
That page turns me off on the video as I associate it with an absurd Trinitarian claim and I have a dismal view of such videos and essays in general.
Hi davidl,
There is no need for men to DEVELOP another view of God.
It is obscene to do so.
Believe the scriptures.
DavidL,
My sound went out a while ago and it is just not important to me to get fixed. If you thing a video has something to say then say it in your own words. These videos are hearsay as I cannot cross examine the speaker and they are attempting to make a point that I find absurd.
They behave as brute beast which lack reason. Such humans were among the congregation even in the time of Jude.
Jesus taught us Scripture cannot be broken and yet Trinitarians hold to a broken teaching. They would not do that if they truly believed what Jesus said because they would instead believe all that Jesus said is true.
Hi davidl,
Since these DEVELOPMENT happened after the last book of the bible was written how does it fit with the warning in rev 22.18-19?
DavidL,
Does he make the claim that the idea that three persons in being in essence one individual is not a contradiction.
Hi davidl,
It is amazing how many folk have to work so hard to keep the unseaworthy ship of trinity afloat.
Let her sink.
Yes Nick. Let it sink.
It is the spirit of Antichrist at work in the world that denies clearly or subtly the sonship of Jesus Christ.
So important is this truth that it is part of the foundation to the true Church, the Body of Christ.
The works built on top any other foundation will fall.
Trinity doesn’t deny the sonship of Jesus Christ but rather recognizes the sonship as part and partial of the true God;which I think you also acknowledge in different terms.
AndrewAD, if Jesus is the son of God, then who is this God that he is the son of? The Trinity? Is he the son of the Trinity?
If Jesus is both God and the son of God, then clearly you have an oxymoron, just the same if you were a son and also your parent.
Are you the same entity as your son? Or are you a different person to your son, but that he shares your nature.
The latter describes Jesus and God. The former is a teaching that is foreign to scripture.
Jesus told us that eternal life is to know the ONLY true God AND Jesus Christ whom he sent.
“This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
Many disagree with Jesus words of eternal life because they have been sold a doctrine that teaches differently.
For me, I would rather put my trust in the words of Jesus than 1 billion Catholics and millions of others who believe the same.
Yes it does seem scary at first when so many disagree with you. But if you believe as Jesus did, and speak the words of Jesus to people, then that is really what matters. In fact to me, it is scarier to go against God and his son. For others the fear of man is paramount.
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